The Kevin Owens/Chris Jericho Bromance, and Other Ponderings From WWE Raw

By Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder

If you’re a WWE buff, it’s been an eventful few days. The biggest story of all was Goldberg’s shocking squash of Brock Lesnar, which I discussed at length yesterday. WWE followed it up a good Raw. Much better than the one I turned off last week…

Ponderings From Raw

Bill Goldberg, WWE Raw, November 21, 2016Goldberg opens the show, announces he’ll be in the 2017 Royal Rumble Match. This isn’t the route I thought they’d take with Goldberg at the Rumble. But just having Goldberg on the show is a hell of a selling point. This is likely an indicator the rematch with Brock will take place at Wrestlemania. That’s not what I was hoping for, but I suppose it’s fine.

I continue to be very pleased with how these crowds have received Goldberg. He’s still a bigger star than almost anyone they have. I suspect one of the reasons he’s such a breath of fresh air is that he’s not handcuffed by the awful dialogue they give to most everyone else. He comes off like a real person. Imagine that.

The New Day def. Cesaro & Sheamus to retain the Raw Tag Team Titles. Nice way to further the story here. The New Day cheat to win, ergo “Shesaro” is in line for another title shot.

Cesaro had a great showing here. Those two awesome catches, and then the extra-long big swing turned into a Sharpshooter. I’ve said it before, and I’ll keep saying it: How he’s not a bigger star is beyond me.

Cedric Alexander, WWE Raw, November 21, 2016Cedric Alexander def. Ariya Daivari. So Ariya Daivari is basically working the same gimmick his brother did. I’m sure that’ll do wonders for him…

For my money, Cedric Alexander remains the stand-out of this new Cruiserweight Division. Hopefully this new 205 Live show will help us get to know him a little bit better. That Lumbar Check is awesome. Great sell by Daivari.

Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens get bromantic on the Highlight Reel. I’m losing track of who the heels and babyfaces are. On paper, Jericho and Owens are the bad guys. But Jericho is hearing mostly cheers these days, and that Toronto crowd did not want to see the so-called “best friends” break up. And when they simultaneously said Roman Reigns was to blame for the Survivor Series loss, the place erupted. These guys are the most consistently entertaining aspect of Raw these days, and it’s becoming harder and harder to boo them.

This was a good segment. Owens and Jericho were having fun out there, and so were the fans. On the other hand, poor Roman can’t catch a break.

Rusev def. Enzo Amore. That naked Enzo pre-tape is another thing I think the Toronto crowd helped. They were so excitable they bought into what might have come off as another bad comedy segment. Not much of a match. But at least Rusev got a win. They’ve got some rebuilding to do with him.

Luke Gallows, R-Truth, WWE Raw, November 21, 2016Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson def. Golden Truth to earn a tag title shot next week. This one was a dud, for my money. It was pretty obvious who the winners would be, so the whole thing dragged. The news peg here is that the New Day will apparently be defending the tag belts often as they get closer to breaking the Demolition record. I think it’s a solid bet that they do it. At the very least, they’re not going to lose the belts to Gallows and Anderson.

Braun Strowman def. Sami Zayn via referee stoppage. Here’s the good news about Braun Strowman: He’s extremely credible, and people are starting to buy into him. The bad news? He may not know his own strength. Everything this guy does looks like it hurts, most likely because it does. Sami certainly earned his underdog reputation here, and he played his part perfectly.

Sasha & Bayley def. Charlotte & Nia Jax. Sasha Banks to challenge for Raw Women’s Title next week. I’ve stopped trying to guess what their plans are with Charlotte and Sasha. I was wrong when Sasha won the belt on Raw the first time, I was wrong at Summerslam, I was wrong at Hell in a Cell. If I made a prediction, I’m sure I’d be wrong anyway.

Nia Jax had a great line to Sasha in this segment: “Listen little girl, you’re gonna learn that when you stand next to me, you are not the boss.” Her delivery was strictly okay, but the dialogue itself worked.

WWE Monday Nighr Raw, November 21, 2016, Nia JaxOn the subject of Nia, I was shocked to see her tap out at Survivor Series. Nice little moment for Becky Lynch, though. She’s the first lady to beat Nia on the main roster.

Rich Swann def. TJ Perkins and Noam Dar to earn a Cruiserweight Title shot on the premiere of 205 LiveNo surprise here. WWE has been grooming Swann for this. I don’t see him winning the belt, but it’s a big match for him. Much respect to these guys for kicking the crap out of each other. Especially that one from Perkins that landed right on Dar’s cheek. Ouch.

Kevin Owens def. Seth Rollins in a no-disqualification match to retain the WWE Universal Title. A really solid main event. You look at a match like this, and you realize what a shame it is they didn’t turn Rollins babyface when he first came back. He performs at such a high level, and he’d be getting such better reactions if they’d just gone for it.

And yes, that appeared to be a Sin Cara mask Jericho was wearing. That’s a nice little wink, isn’t it?

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Goldberg’s Quick Win, and a Few Ponderings from WWE Survivor Series 2016

Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, WWE Survivor Series 2016By Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder

I’ll say this much: We didn’t see that coming. No sir, not at all.

Goldberg beats Brock Lesnar with a shove, two spears, and a jackhammer. It was reminiscent of a Ronda Rousey fight, in that you could literally show most of the match in an animated GIF on Twitter. Perhaps more importantly, Brock Lesnar was pinned for the first time since Wrestlemania XXIX. He broke the Undertaker’s Wrestlemania streak, he victimized John Cena, he split Randy Orton open, and then he lost to Goldberg in about a minute.

This almost makes sense. Goldberg is about 50 years old, he tweaked his shoulder last Monday on Raw, and he wasn’t exactly known for length Ric Flair-style matches anyway. In a way, they gave us the dominant, take-no-prisoners Goldberg we were all captivated by in the first place. And all that stuff I said about Goldberg coming back just to lose to Brock? Yeah, that’s out the window…

If the idea was to get people talking, mission accomplished. As I type this, fans continue to debate the pros and cons of this move. It was a shocking match that I’m sure people will talk about for years to come.

Paul Heyman, Brock Lesnar, WWE Survivor Series 2016But Brock, man. Reportedly, Brock was all for this, as he and Goldberg are buddies. And I get that this is all part of a larger story. But I can’t help but lament Brock getting pinned. WWE has spent the last two and a half years turning Brock Lesnar into one of the greatest killers they’ve ever produced. You look at all the guys Lesnar has put down, and it seemed obvious that they were saving that first big loss for a newer star. The most obvious name is Roman Reigns. But who knows? It might have been Kevin Owens via dubious heel tactics. Cesaro could have done it, if they ever decided to really get behind him. You’ve also got the man who could very well be their next killer, Braun Strowman. But after all this time…Goldberg? The 50-year-old Bill Goldberg is the one to knock Lesnar off his pedestal?

We learned this morning that WWE has Goldberg signed for the Royal Rumble. Hopefully, that’s where they do the rematch. They need to fill the Alamo Dome, and this rematch can help do it. From there, you have Lesnar win and go on to face whoever his Wrestlemania opponent is. Goldberg, meanwhile, can get one more win against somebody like a Rusev. I assume that’s been the plan all along. And it’s not necessarily a bad plan. You get three big matches out of Goldberg. The first of which is barely a match at all, and it minimizes the risk of injury to a man who hasn’t wrestled in 12 years.

But was it worth it? To not only piss off a lot of fans who watched all that build up and waited to see a fight, but to tarnish what you’ve built with Brock? That’s a big risk. And we won’t know if it paid off for awhile yet. This has implications beyond the Royal Rumble. For all we know, it may effect the remainder of Brock’s run. They may make a lot of cash in the short term. But what a risk…

WWE Survivor Series 2016, Randy Orton, Luke Harper, Bray WyattA Few Ponderings From Survivor SeriesThe 5-on-5 match with the main eventers clearly stole the show. Definitely an unexpected finish at that, with Bray Wyatt and Randy Orton being the survivors. I’d say give Bray a title shot if Smackdown didn’t already have a heel champion.  What’s more, they made solid use of Luke Harper, despite his loss to Kane on the pre-show.

Bray Wyatt has been sitting below the glass ceiling for years now. It’s not necessarily for lack of trying on WWE’s part. He’s been put in big matches with the likes of John Cena, Roman Reigns, and the Undertaker. But they’ve failed to make him feel like a big star for any sustained period of time. Some of that has to do with him losing a lot of his big matches. You can talk about the predetermined nature of pro wrestling all you want. But one of the things that has made Brock Lesnar such a draw for WWE is that he wins. Bill Goldberg became a huge star in the ’90s by winning. The Undertaker became synonymous with Wrestlemania by winning. In contrast, one of the reasons Dolph Ziggler has never broken through to that next level is because he loses. A lot.

Next month, AJ Styles and Dean Ambrose will wrestle for the WWE Championship yet again. As great as those two are together, we’ve seen that match way too much. But with John Cena out right now, they haven’t exactly had a lot of options. It’s to WWE’s advantage to get Bray Wyatt on a role, so he can emerge as a bigger player in the months to come. Perhaps he’ll even be the caliber a star we’ve always known he could be.

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