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Dean Ambrose pins John Cena, and Other Ponderings From WWE Smackdown Live

John Cena, Dean Ambrose, WWE Smackdown, September 20, 2016By Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder

I’m still not over how abysmal Raw was this week. I’m not someone who basks in negativity, either. I simply call it how I see it. It was a really bad show. If you buy into the manufactured Raw vs. Smackdown stuff, Smackdown had it easy this week.

What it often comes down to with Smackdown is the very simple philosophy of “Less is more.” That’s a refreshing approach. In 2016, WWE’s approach is almost always, “More is never enough.” We’ve got more than three hours of Raw each week, and pay per views that tend to go on even longer. Not to mention supplementary content on the network.

WWE television used to leave you wanting more. You simply couldn’t wait to tune in next week to find out what happens next. Nowadays, the opposite is often true. We turn off shows feeling exhausted or frustrated. Wrestle mania XXXII went so long I actually considered turning in my fan card for awhile.

In entertainment, there’s always something to be said for conciseness and restraint. Smackdown almost feels like a throwback to an era where there wasn’t a push for so much content, and each minute of WWE TV seemed to matter just a little more.

Alexa Bliss, WWE Smackdown, September 20, 2016Ponderings From Smackdown:

Daniel Bryan hosts a contract signing between Becky Lynch and Alexa Bliss. Bryan’s a damn charmer. He had that line about keeping things civil, the audience gives him some friendly boos, and he goes: “Don’t boo that.”

Both these ladies are very natural in their roles. They had to recite lines that were obviously scripted. But Becky’s fire was great. Alexa has the snobby high school cheerleader act down pat, and she’s very expressive. I just wish they’d quit comparing her to Harley Quinn. Because here’s the thing: She’s not Harley Quinn. She’s Alexa Bliss, and she’s still coming into her own as a national TV character. The Harley Quinn thing almost sends mixed messages to the audience.

The Usos def. American Alpha to earn a Smackdown Tag Title shot at No MercyRed and black is definitely a better fit for the Usos than red and white. They actually look tough.

Both Jason Jordan and Chad Gable are absolute suplex machines. They’re both so explosive, which is part of what makes them so fun to watch. On the flip side, the Usos need another move in their arsenal besides the superkick. They do know that’s the move Shawn Michaels used to retire Ric Flair, right? And here they are practically beating it into the ground.

Apollo Crews, September 20, 2016During this segment, David Otunga mentioned something about filming a movie with Adam Sandler. That’s not exactly something to brag about in 2016, is it?

Baron Corbin def. Apollo Crews. On the subject of Otunga’s commentary, he said here that this was the first time he’d seen Crews not smiling. That’s a good thing. As athletically gifted as he is, a white meat babyface label can drag your career into the gutter. That’s largely what’s happened to Crews lately.

We also got Jack Swagger on headset during this match. Not sure what we did to deserve that.

The Miz def. Dolph Ziggler to retain the Intercontinental Title. I don’t mean to keep harping on Otunga. But during this match he said “most people never win a title during their time here.” Um, yes they do, good sir. In fact, it’s a hell of a lot more likely now that we’ve got so many belts. In January 2016 we had five titles. Now we have nine. And that’s not counting NXT. It’s a nice idea, and I understand them wanting to make the IC belt seem as prestigious as possible. But statements like that hurt an announcer’s credibility, and Otunga had so little to begin with.

I’ve enjoyed seeing Miz mimic Daniel Bryan’s old move set. It’s a creative little dig. These two may not be able to have a match, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Bryan gets Miz in the Yes Lock at some point.

WWE Smackdown, September 20, 2016, Dolph Ziggler, The MizI’ve heard some buzz about a Miz vs. Ziggler steel cage match at No Mercy. Instead of doing that, why not just have Ziggler wrestle in goggles? It’d protect him from getting sprayed in the eyes over and over, and it would save us from having to watch Ziggler lose yet another match to Miz.

Randy Orton def. Erick Rowan. Bray Wyatt cuts a promo, saying “a god can never die.” That promo was pure fluff. Bray said he and Orton are locked in “the unholiest of matrimonies.” What does that even mean? That line about never dying doesn’t mean anything either. When people talk about Bray’s promos being nonsensical, this is what they’re talking about.

Orion’s got a rematch with Brock Lesnar this Saturday at a house show in Chicago. While we’re out getting Ziggler goggles, we might want to get Orton a helmet.

Nikki Bella def. Natalya via disqualification. So Nikki gets the DQ win after Carmella interferes in a short match. I don’t mind this little program at all. It keeps Nikki away from the title picture for a little while, and allows Carmella to grow a little. It’s a win-win.

Dean Ambrose def. John Cena. Ambrose earns WWE Championship Match next week. AJ Styles had a great line in before this match: “The only way this title gets taken from me, is if I don’t have to get pinned to lose it.”

Dean Ambrose, WWE Smackdown, September 20, 2016Very surprised to see Ambrose pin Cena clean. But from a story perspective, it lends credence to what Ambrose said last week about Cena not being able to cut it in the ring anymore. Things feel nice and personal between them. I’m hoping we see them in a big pay per view match down the road.

So Cena accidentally costs Ambrose the title next week, and we take this to No Mercy.

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Conor McGregor Slams WWE Stars, Plus Ponderings From WWE Raw

Conor McGregorBy Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder

Conor McGregor pisses people off. It’s just what he does. They should make that into one of those Geico commercials. I’m surprised it took McGregor this long to get under the skin of wrestling fans. They’re a lot that loves to be pissed off about one thing or another…

On a conference call for UFC 202, McGregor called WWE wrestlers “pussies,” and later tweeted the following:

I don’t know if McGregor means any of this or not. Some people think he and WWE are looking to do business together. If that’s the case, he could be a better heel than any they’ve got right now. It would obviously generate a lot of outside interest as well.

Work or shoot, the statement itself is ludicrous. Wrestlers and fans alike should be secure enough in what they love to let this McGregor thing slide off their backs.

WWE Raw, August 8, 2016, Chris Jericho, Kevin OwensPonderings From Raw:

Chris Jericho w/Kevin Owens def. Enzo Amore w/Colin Cassaday. Jericho and Owens are a great team, and they make great villains for Cass & Enzo. One of the newest, biggest heels in all of WWE may very well be Jericho’s goatee.

These four now have a tag match set for Summerslam, and I’d love to see it open the show. I can’t imagine the kind of pop Cass & Enzo will get in Brooklyn.

John Cena & AJ Styles appear during a commercial break. Apparently, after the Enzo/Jericho match, AJ Styles came out and said he was only there because prior to the brand extension, he was advertised to be at the show. From there, he and John Cena had a quick fight which ended in an AA from Cena. Nice little treat for the crowd. But hopefully they don’t make a habit of this sort of thing.

Braun Strowman won an enhancement match. I went into the kitchen for a cup of coffee, and when I got back the match was over. No surprise there. So here’s my question: Is this a Braun Strowman babyface turn?

Darren Young def. Titus O’Neil with a handful of tights. In terms of 50/50 booking, it doesn’t get more pure than this. Titus wins with a roll-up and a handful of tights last week, now Young wins with the same move. I’m pleased they had Backlund conveniently looking elsewhere when the pin happened. So now do we have Young keep cheating without Backlund noticing? For a character as off beat as his, that’s conceivable.

Seth Rollins, WWE Raw, August 8, 2016Seth Rollins cuts a promo on Finn Balor. Rollins lines about “slaying the beast,” having “crushed the face that runs the place,” and “conquered the Roman Empire,” were really good. I was also happy to see an uninterrupted in-ring promo. For the sake of changing things up, that’s nice to see.

Cesaro def. Sheamus. These guys always put on good matches. I just wish he hadn’t won with a damn roll-up. We see so many roll-up finishes on these shows. They can do better than this.

A retrospective airs on Brock Lesnar and Randy Orton’s history together. Well, here we go. They finally talked about it. Lesnar and Orton’s history together in Ohio Valley Wrestling, and their parallel journeys to WWE stardom. I have to say, I got a kick out of hearing that Jim Cornette soundbyte. I imagine Cornette never thought he’d hear his own voice on that show again.

There was some really good stuff here, most notably the idea of Orton being a star, and Lesnar being a megastar. The notion that Randy Orton is “just another guy” is the antithesis of what the WWE marketing machine has wanted us to believe for over a decade. It adds a whole new dimension to this program. This is one of the few times I’ve ever hoped for a live contract signing. I’d love to get Randy Orton in the ring with Lesnar and Heyman, and see who says what.

Neville & Sin Cara def. The Dudley Boyz. On the subject of being “just another guy,” the Dudleys seem like just another team on the roster. To say the least, that’s not how they should be portrayed. They certainly shouldn’t be beaten by two guys teaming together for the first time.

Bubba Ray Dudley, WWE Raw, August 8, 2016It was interesting that they focused on Bubba’s face after the loss. He looked pissed. Could this be the start to a Bubba Ray heel singles run? They don’t have much to lose at this point.

Neville had a mystery partner for this match, who turned out to be Sin Cara. Forgive me for not being enthralled. Did Sin Cara mean to jump through the ropes to the outside? It was awkward. But it didn’t look like a botch.

Roman Reigns interrupts Rusev & Lana’s wedding celebration. How ironic. WWE punished Rusev & Lana for leaking the news of their engagement online. Now they’re exploiting their wedding for TV.

This segment moved like molasses. It just went on…and on….and on. We get it. They’re in love. Roman comes out. Somebody goes in the cake. Next please.

On the  plus side, Roman get cheered when he came out. It wasn’t a great reaction, but at least he wasn’t drowned in boos. He also seemed a little more charismatic. He was due for some lighter material. The best part of the whole thing? Rusev throwing cake at Reigns as he walked up the ramp.

Sasha Banks def. Dana Brooke. Brooke is now banned from ringside at Summerslam. I would have been interested in Sasha having Bayley at ringside to counteract Dana Brooke. But this works too. I don’t expect Charlotte and Sasha to top what they did on Raw a few weeks ago. But it’ll be cool to see them try.

Finn Balor, WWE Raw, August 8, 2016Via video package, Finn Balor gives Seth Rollins a lesson in Irish mythology and demons. This was important. The audience needs to know why Balor wears the body paint. This was a nice crash course. The piece was also very well produced. The way Balor was sitting, the smoke, the eye contact with the camera. All excellent.

Luke Gallows def. Kofi Kingston. I actually thought the “Ringpostitis” skit was funny. It’s got Vince McMahon’s fingerprints all over it, which usually spells doom for an attempt at comedy. But Anderson & Gallows had great delivery. As for the match, that’s a pretty big win for Gallows. How many singles titles has Kofi won? And Gallows pinned him in about two minutes.

After a brief segment with Daniel Bryan, Mick Foley makes a US Title Match between Rusev and Cesaro. Rusev retains after interference from Sheamus. Roman Reigns spears the champion. Since he’s been back, Bryan really looks like he’s having fun. Especially on the Cruiserweight Classic shows. His enthusiasm is infectious.

Rusev gains momentum with a big title defense. Cesaro deserves a big win, and the US Title. But with no build up, and the show going past its usual overrun, tonight wasn’t the time. Nor, for that matter, was it time for Rusev to drop the title. They’ve built him back up as a monster, and you can’t just slay the monster on any given night.

On the plus side, Sheamus’ feud with Cesaro now has a personal edge to it.

Tuesday Morning Talk Points: NONE.

Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose, WWE Smackdown, August 2016Over on Smackdown:

Dean Ambrose and Dolph Ziggler come face-to-face in the ring. This was the creative highlight of the show. Ambrose was really strong here. Ziggler fired off what we expected. The rant about being undervalued, stealing the show, etc. But Ambrose, surprisingly, no sold it. The closing line, the money line, was “You’re gonna find out you’re not as good as you think you are.”  As far as I’m concerned, that is now what their match is about. Is Dolph Ziggler as good as he thinks he is? Unfortunately, the smart bet is Ambrose is going over here. So what happens when Ambrose wins? A heel turn for Ziggler?

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Brock Lesnar’s Victory, The Final Deletion, and Ponderings From WWE Raw

Brock Lesnar, UFC 200By Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder

Very happy to see Brock Lesnar get the win over Mark Hunt. The doubters weren’t totally justified in questioning Lesnar’s chances. The guy hadn’t had a fight in years. But he was obviously ready. I don’t know if he regrets re-signing with WWE, but it’s clear his heart is still in MMA. I expect we’ll see him back in the octagon soon.

Lesnar will now carry the momentum from this fight into Summerslam, where we now know he’ll wrestle the returning Randy Orton. The announcement of Lesnar’s opponent happened on Smackdown, actually prompting me to watch the show for once. We heard Corey Graves bring up the fact that these two came up together in the WWE developmental system. I expect that will be a large part of the story they tell as we move toward August. I’m a bit concerned about Orton staying healthy in there with Brock. He’s just come off shoulder surgery, after all. But then again, I had those same concerns about The Undertaker, and as far as I know he came out of it fine.

WWE is going to need as many stars as they can fine once this brand split starts. Make no mistake about it, Randy Orton is one of their biggest commodities.

I also loved how they finally acknowledged the damn fight on television this week. Only after Brock had won, of course…

Bob Backlund, Darren Young, WWE Raw, July 11, 2016Ponderings From Raw:

Darren Young wins a battle royal to earn an Intercontinental Title Match at BattlegroundThe obvious choice to win this match seemed to be Apollo Crews, for no other reason than he was the only participant to get a TV entrance, and they played his music through Miz’s pre-match promo. But Darren Young was a pleasant surprise. And they were chanting his name! Imagine that.

However, I’m curious about the way he won. Crews and Baron Corbin eliminated themselves. Young won by accident. So what does that say about him going into Battleground? Either way, any excuse to get Bob Backlund on live TV works for me.

I’ve come to enjoy Miz’s commentary. He does a nice job putting other talents over. He seemed to be getting instructions to put Corbin over. That’s fair enough. I suspect Corbin will receive much more attention once the brand split takes effect. He still comes off really green. But the best solution for that is experience.

Sheamus def. Zack Ryder. I was blown away when I saw Ryder get a clean win over Sheamus on Smackdown. That, combined with his win last week on Raw, leads one to a stunning conclusion: Zack Ryder is getting a push. Four years after he took the wrestling world by storm with his YouTube show, WWE finally seems to be taking him seriously. I’m really proud that he’s persevered after all this time. The only wrestling t-shirt I’ve purchased in the last decade was Ryder’s Broski v-neck. That’s how much of a fan I was, and still am. A United States Title Match with Rusev seems imminent. Will he win? Probably not. But at least he’s in the conversation.

Kalisto, WWE Raw, July 11, 2016Tyler Breeze & Fandango def. The Lucha Dragons. During this match the announcers brought up the idea that tag teams could be split up during the draft. I’m hoping that doesn’t happen very much. Remember when they split the Dudleys up in 2002 for no real reason? And then they put them back together a matter of months later? Yeah, let’s not do that again.

Seth Rollins airs mock interview with Roman Reigns using old interview footage. Dean Ambrose comes out to confront him. A WWE Title Match is made for next week’s RawKurt Angle did something like this to The Rock at the tail end of the Attitude Era. It’s an okay little gag. No harm done, even though they are talking about a legitimate drug test violation.

Seth Rollins came off like a million bucks in this segment. He said that Reigns should be taken out of the title match at Battleground, and the fans cheered. He talked about Ambrose sneaking up on him and taking the belt, which did happen. He was also right that Ambrose couldn’t beat him for the belt last year. Rollins has a legitimate argument to being the uncrowned WWE Champion, and being better than both Ambrose and Reigns.

In Ambrose’s response, however, he came off more threatening than he has in weeks. Jokey Dean Ambrose is fine sometimes. But as the champion, we need to see more of the crazy and dangerous Dean Ambrose. When he’s on, Ambrose is as good as anybody in the company. Rollins, to his credit, played off of that intensity very well. He looked intimidated, as his character should be. As for next week’s title match, I don’t expect the belt to change hands. Battleground, however, is a different story.

WWE Raw, July 11, 2016Kevin Owen gets Sami Zayn ejected from the commentary table before his victory over Cesaro. Zayn attacks Owens afterward. I wish they’d just make this some kind of stipulation match that allows Zayn and Owens to fight all over the arena. I just wish they’d stop doing that lock-up/punches thing they do. It takes me right out of whatever scene they’re in.

The New Day journey to the Wyatt Family “compound.” So…was this WWE’s attempt to outdo the “Final Deletion” that TNA did on Impact last week? If so, they failed.

Let’s go ahead and talk about the Final Deletion. It was a match Matt and Jeff Hardy shot on location, which served as the blow-off for the bizarre program they’ve had in TNA this year. Produced by Jeremy Borash, it was a truly ridiculous spectacle. There was a weird vignette with drones and a hologram, spots with fireworks, and the lunacy fans have come to expect from Matt’s crazy character. It was far from your traditional main event, but that was the point. A lot of fans enjoyed it, and it got TNA some much-needed positive buzz.

All I can say about this, is that it’s good to see people talking about TNA again. What that brand desperately needs is some buzz, and they got it.

Fast-forward six days, and we get this. It looked like WWE’s take on a found footage flick, a la The Blair Witch Project or Cloverfield. But the shaky camera was just awful. There were traces of the Final Deletion. We had the music, the stuff in the water, Bray using an axe, the car crash, etc. The ironic thing is, had they shot this in a more traditional manner, it would have been a lot more interesting. We’d have been able to follow the action more closely. Also, that didn’t look much like a compound to me. More like an open field.

TNA, The Final Deletion, Matt and Jeff HardyOn the plus side, the image of Braun Strowman rising from the water and roaring was awesome. Literally the best thing he’s ever done. And that final image of the lanterns in the forest was cool. But all in all, this was very derivative. WWE drawing inspiration from something TNA did? In 2016? Who’d have thought?

Enzo & Cass def. Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson via disqualification. John Cena makes the save afterward. Of course Cena was there. C’mon, now.

Decent match. I’ve got high hopes the match at Battleground will be one of the better six-man bouts we’ve seen on pay per view in recent years. I doubt it’ll top The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family. But you never know. This all obviously leads to another match between AJ Styles and John Cena at Summerslam, and possibly a tag title shot for Enzo & Cass.

Sasha Banks def. Dana Brooke. I was really curious to see how Banks and Brooke would match up. All things considered, they did pretty well. Absolutely the best match I’ve seen from Dana Brooke since she got called up. They also gave this match a good amount of time, which I credit them for. We wanted Sasha, and they gave us Sasha. They took their damn time, but better late than never.

Vince McMahon names Shane McMahon Commissioner of Smackdown, Stephanie McMahon named Commissioner of Raw. General Managers to be named next week. First off, Vince’s impression of “sweet” Stephanie was awesome. The funniest thing on this show in weeks.

McMahon Family, WWE Raw, July 11, 2016What happened here isn’t surprising. This looked like where they were going. The heel Stephanie on one show, the babyface Shane on the other. The General Manager thing is a bit odd. Traditionally, you have one authority figure that makes matches, stipulations, etc. So does the GM now fill that role, with Shane or Steph coming in as necessary? It all seems redundant. But maybe it’ll make sense when we see it in action. By the way, isn’t Kurt Angle available these days?

I do, however, think Vince gave us a clue about how things are really going to go once this split takes effect. He made a point to call Raw the “three-hour flagship” of WWE. In the end, Raw is like Vince’s favorite child. Even with the added emphasis on Smackdown, eventually it all comes back to Raw.

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